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SeraCombi · Aug 12, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Note to all conspiracy theorists:

GW2 is in full development

GW2 will be released

It will be fun to play, and will actually be more beautiful than the current game, which is a feat in itself.

Screens, trailers, game info, and related material will be released in due time.

Please return your seatbacks and tray tables to their full upright position.

IlikeGW · Aug 12, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by SeraCombi

GW2 is in full development

GW2 will be released

Yes, of course. As long as the corporate structure that's paying the bills doesn't implode. Which it just took a possible step towards.

Toxic OnyX · Aug 12, 2009, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by SeraCombi

Note to all conspiracy theorists:

GW2 is in full development

GW2 will be released

It will be fun to play, and will actually be more beautiful than the current game, which is a feat in itself.

Screens, trailers, game info, and related material will be released in due time.

Please return your seatbacks and tray tables to their full upright position.

And you base this on what proof?

Take off the fanboy glasses for a moment and look around, these comments (both sides of the fence) are made by people that have full knowledge of how a-net have succeeded or failed in the past, the things a-net continually fail on is communication and correct information we have seen 1 dev say 1 thing, dev2 say something else and then no action actually be taken at all.

Positivity is one thing, but fanboy enthused blind hope leads to delusional posts.

However, here is a thought

Assuming Aion is as big a success in NA/EU as it is in the eastern market, will NCSoft still wish to continue to fund the smaller subsidiaries? or will they want to put more into the development of their flagship?

This could play out one of 2 ways though, it would give a-net to MBO and the chance to seek their own development funds and if GW2 is already in playable development they would be able to release sooner and begin bringing in revenue, however if GW2 is not ready to Beta yet then it could also bring about the end of further development.

JR · Aug 12, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Toxic OnyX

And you base this on what proof?

Take off the fanboy glasses for a moment and look around, these comments (both sides of the fence) are made by people that have full knowledge of how a-net have succeeded or failed in the past, the things a-net continually fail on is communication and correct information we have seen 1 dev say 1 thing, dev2 say something else and then no action actually be taken at all.

Positivity is one thing, but fanboy enthused blind hope leads to delusional posts.

However, here is a thought

Assuming Aion is as big a success in NA/EU as it is in the eastern market, will NCSoft still wish to continue to fund the smaller subsidiaries? or will they want to put more into the development of their flagship?

This could play out one of 2 ways though, it would give a-net to MBO and the chance to seek their own development funds and if GW2 is already in playable development they would be able to release sooner and begin bringing in revenue, however if GW2 is not ready to Beta yet then it could also bring about the end of further development.

ArenaNet have never failed; their one product has a been a huge success. So what are you basing your accusations on? The fact that you feel spited because they don't mother you enough?

I've been with Guild Wars since beta, and have been ArenaNet's most vocal critic at times. I still really can't sympathize with your ranting.

"Positivity is one thing, but fanboy enthused blind hope leads to delusional posts."

The converse of that statement could be applied remarkably well to yourself. You are ignorant of the facts, and have no experience to speak of on which to base your inane theories.

zwei2stein · Aug 12, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Anet is big enough to be very resilient to one person leaving. Especially if that person was unrelated to it for one year. He had next to no official input on GW2.

What would you expect, devs stopping to work on GW2 because 'It is just not worth doing anymore without Jeff working for our corporate owner.'? PlayNC canceling GW2 because Jeff is no longer there defending it (or something)?

Please...

Fate Crusher · Aug 12, 2009, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Toxic OnyX

And you base this on what proof?

Take off the fanboy glasses for a moment and look around, these comments (both sides of the fence) are made by people that have full knowledge of how a-net have succeeded or failed in the past, the things a-net continually fail on is communication and correct information we have seen 1 dev say 1 thing, dev2 say something else and then no action actually be taken at all.

Positivity is one thing, but fanboy enthused blind hope leads to delusional posts.

However, here is a thought

Assuming Aion is as big a success in NA/EU as it is in the eastern market, will NCSoft still wish to continue to fund the smaller subsidiaries? or will they want to put more into the development of their flagship?

This could play out one of 2 ways though, it would give a-net to MBO and the chance to seek their own development funds and if GW2 is already in playable development they would be able to release sooner and begin bringing in revenue, however if GW2 is not ready to Beta yet then it could also bring about the end of further development.

1 guy leaves and you're already expecting a corporate meltdown? What the hell are you basing this on? He's simply left. They will simply employ someone else. Anet will simply carry on doing what they have been doing without him already for a while.

Your views are too generalised and hypocritical. If you want to delve into insinuations of the end of GW and Anet, why can't you realise that Anet can simply detach themselves from NCsoft. They may be a wholly subsidised company, but that is at the moment. An umbrella company, especially a publisher, cannot ruin their subsidiaries completeley. Anet can eventually find another publisher. Now, why don't YOU look at all the other MMOs and realise this is what Blizzard chose to do with themselves and the other developers they bought.

Fact.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 12, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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ArenaNet have never failed; their one product has a been a huge success. So what are you basing your accusations on? The fact that you feel spited because they don't mother you enough?

I've been with Guild Wars since beta, and have been ArenaNet's most vocal critic at times. I still really can't sympathize with your ranting.

"Positivity is one thing, but fanboy enthused blind hope leads to delusional posts."

The converse of that statement could be applied remarkably well to yourself. You are ignorant of the facts, and have no experience to speak of on which to base your inane theories.

They have failed.

They have canceled Utopia that was a failure. They built a business model that was going to be supported by releasing content in the way of new Chapters every 6 months, that plan failed and was scrapped as they realized after a few chapters they needed to start over with GW2. They resorted to micro transactions in the current product, that wasn't the original model.

So yes they have failed. They have also failed on all of their early statements on timing for GW2. So please don't have a selective memory.

Quite frankly they hit a home run with the initial GW release, and it has been downhill ever since.

So, 1 success, followed by multiple failures, missing dates, then going silent. Followed by shutdown of some of the other development studios under NCSoft, cancellation of released products, and departure of key personnel.

Now I still have some hope. But lets not bury our heads and ignore fact. I am done believing and trusting. I need to see something.

boxterduke · Aug 12, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Sad news indeed, but I'm sure GW will survive. I just hope they continued with their development plans of releasing a campaign every 6 months and did not jump into GW2.
I'm more than glad to keep playing GW if they would have just kept updating it with expansions and such.

JR · Aug 12, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

@fog of redoubt

They decided it would be best to take Utopia in a different direction, it wasn't a cancelled project because it was never got much further than the planning phase.

So they changed their model? Oh god no! God forbid they don't get a revolutionary business model right first time. The model worked for two chapters, it was not a failure.

Accuse me of a selective memory if you will, but at least the evidence of the things they have got right is fairly obvious. You can't seem to come up with one coherant example.

fog_of_redoubt · Aug 12, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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@fog of redoubt

They decided it would be best to take Utopia in a different direction, it wasn't a cancelled project because it was never got much further than the planning phase.

So they changed their model? Oh god no! God forbid they don't get a revolutionary business model right first time. The model worked for two chapters, it was not a failure.

Accuse me of a selective memory if you will, but at least the evidence of the things they have got right is fairly obvious. You can't seem to come up with one coherant example.

Apparently your selective memory is worse than originally diagnosed, it is complicated by selective reading also.

YOU said they have never failed. I pointed out multiple examples of incorrect decisions, business models that needed to be adjusted, along with other issues.

You can believe what you want.

I don't have an issue at all with the change in direction, and the decisions that they are making. I point them out because you and others continually overlook them.

They have overdrawn on their credibility and trust at this point. They have no credit left. I believe what I see, not what they tell me they want me to believe.

Shadowspawn X · Aug 12, 2009, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Aion has flop written all over it. NCSoft is cranking out flops left and right. Auto Assualt and Tabula Rasa were not good. When Aion flops the impact could be devastating on GW2. Anet needs to follow Jeff's lead and get the heck away from NCSoft.

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They have overdrawn on their credibility and trust at this point. They have no credit left. I believe what I see, not what they tell me they want me to believe.

Pretty much.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 12, 2009, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Whether Anet failed or not is the opinion. They canceled Utopia, fact. They used parts of Utopia in their new project, fact (and a lore disaster). They said a product every year (I recall year, not 6 months >_>), fact. Up to 08, they did this: last product being the BMP.

There are things they couldn't live up to, true, but that doesn't mean they failed. That last part is where fact turns into opinion.

JR · Aug 12, 2009, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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